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Two Portland men accused of tossing a Molotov cocktail at a family's John McCain campaign sign early Saturday morning were arraigned in Multnomah County Circuit Court Monday afternoon.
Leslie Brockette Leudtke, 23, and Kevin Carl Robinson, 23, were held on at least eight felony charges of making a destructive device and possession of a destructive device. Leudtke also was charged with reckless burning.
They were arrested early Saturday morning, Oct. 11, and charged with burning the 4-by-8-foot sign outside a Southeast Portland home.
Portland Fire and Rescue investigators said the two men made a Molotov cocktail and threw it at the sign in the 7900 block of Southeast 17th Avenue.
The sign, which is bigger than the usual campaign yard signs, is supported by two wooden posts. The fire burned one of the posts, but did little damage to the sign.
Firefighters were called at about 1:43 a.m. to the area and found the burning campaign sign. The fire caused minimal damage.
Fire investigators tracked down the two men and, after extensive interviews, charged them with the felonies.
These violent jerks are exactly why many of us don't display our preference for McCain/Palin. I think whoever the new president is he will inherit the wind. We tossed the Republican majoity two years ago and look what we have, a majority of do nothings who masquerade as democrats including the wonderboy with the very questionable past.
D.Hart
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Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 08:08 PM
Well the McCain campaign is going down in flames... could this have possibly been a sign of things to come?
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Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Thanks for your comment, Jeffette :)
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Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:25 PM
Nasty marxist/anarchist goons don't like the free speech of others. What did they hope to achieve by it? Terrorize people into keeping their opinions concealed?
Chill other people from expressing support for whatever candidate they like that isn't in the goon squads favor?
These young thugs have it in their heads they have to clear the world of wrong-thinkers. Who appointed them arbiter of what other people should think or say?
I guess they have decided free speech is evil because it stands in the way of utopia.
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Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Jeff, the McCain campaign may not be doing real well in Oregon, but why should he spend his limited finances in a place where he doesn't really stand a good chance of winning? Just like Obama isn't wasting his money campaigning strong in Tennessee. McCain isn't really "going down in flames." This election could go either way and could be a landslide either way, depending on factors we don't see, not being professional pundits. McCain is doing really well in spite of strong media support for Obama.
gerry
Knoxville, TN
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:20 AM
Its very unfortunate that there are poeple out there like Jeffette that would even think to rationalize this as ok behavior. This being a relatively "free" society and there being hundreds/thousands of ways to express your views on it, yet they selected one of the more dangerous and illegal ways of doing it?
What is going to be even more disturbing is the fact that they will most likely get a slap on the wrist for it just because of freedom of speech or the damage was small.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 07:12 AM
Burning signs? Not in the name of Obama you don't.
NOT COOL.
PS: I won't see you @ the protest because you killed the movement and I don't want to be associated with you. I only write letters and make phone calls now.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:01 AM
So Mike won't be making the protests anymore?
How many more people will turn coward when the time comes to storm the barricades and repress the hatespeakers who simply refuse to get with the program?
It is just that sort of thinking which will allow four to eight more years of unregulated, uncontrolled, destructive capitalist policies through the election of McPalin.
People must be shown that Obama is the way out, the truth being spoken, and the hope for true change.
Remember that Lenin and Che were considered criminals by repressors in their times before being championed as heroes for the people and true, enduring change agents.
Change must come from the streets.
So let the hammerblows for change through Obama be struck in the streets of Portland.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:00 AM
BABAR THAT IS A LAST NAME AND LESLIE IS ALSO A MANS NAME
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Attacking free speech has been a hallmark of the Obama campaign. He asked the feds to investigate a Chicago talk show host who talked about his association with Bill Ayers and recently in Missouri, he requested law enforcement go after anyone who ran ads he didn't like.
But liberals have a history of trying to shut down anyone who disagrees with them. Look at the unwashed that protest any conservative speaker that comes to Portland in an attempt to shut them up.
If Obama's elected, will he take over the press like Chavez? Bet he'd like to.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:50 AM
I personally think both Oboma and McCain are horrible choices for america that being said NO ONE, and i mean NO ONE should commit an act of arson in order to hinder someone else's free speech.
I may hate what you say but i will fight for you to be able to say it.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:31 AM
This just goes to show you the type of people who support Obama. Anyone who would burn someone elses property because they don't agree with them is a typical Obama supporter. Wonder if there will be riots when he loses the election?
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Ret:
You seem to forget that the far right has employed similar tactics to shut up the voices of the left - the KKK, McCarthy, numerous GOP administrations...
A radical is a radical regardless of what side they're on, and they're equally dangerous. Obama is no more a radical than McCain, and these morons that burned the signs speak no more for Obama than the morons speak for McCain that hang effigies of Obama and/or try to link "Osama" to "Obama."
Don't confuse the stupidity of the fringe for the mainstream perspective.
But of course, you don't care about a logical, balanced viewpoint, you and your type will simply jump on any excuse to lambaste Obama. Too bad it won't work.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 12:45 PM
can anyone say N'COBRA and Reparations?
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 01:42 PM
And the Democrats are crying that McCain's campaign is making people hateful.
It seems the Obama campaign is more at fault as I see many stories about Obama supporters acting violent. Maybe they RESPECT his ties to terrorists, felons and jihadists.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 04:59 PM
I live in the Portland area, and despite being a supporter, there is no way I would ever put a McCain sign at my house or a sticker on my car. During the last presidential election, the radical leftist democrats broke windows and vandalized cars with Bush stickers.
It is very sad that our "democracy" has come to this. Those who call themselves liberals are really facists. You have freedom of speech in this city ONLY if you agree with the Democrat cause. Sad. Really sad.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 04:59 PM
nihilism, infantilism, O'crowd strikes again....
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:05 PM
“ The most important kind of freedom is to be what you really are. You trade in your reality for a role. ...You give up your ability to feel, and in exchange, put on a mask. ” - Jim Morrison.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:06 PM
Sounds like a hate crime to me... Shouldn't there be charges for that?
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:09 PM
jg: you hit it on the nose!!!!!! I am not a friend of Obama, and I think his agenda is VERY TOXIC for the country, but we must agree to disagree and do it in a civil manner!
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:09 PM
Remember that Lenin and Che were considered criminals. Because they were criminals
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:11 PM
the problem i have with the story is that the guys were charged with 8 felonies! nobody was hurt.....just a damaged sign. 8 felonies!! these guys will have no decent economic future with that on their records. any background check will doom them. they should look for employment in europe or australia. america has destroyed their future for burning a wooden sign. the police should be ashamed of themselves!
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:11 PM
Hmm! If this was an Obama sign that was burned, We would hear cries of Hate Crime and Racist all over the place. Is this a double standard, I would say so.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:24 PM
Guess their days of caring are over. Felons can't vote,
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:24 PM
http://truthandcons.blogspot.com/2008_09_01_archive.html
People vote Democratic in Economic hard times.
Prove the Democrats are not involved in the Cloward – Piven strategy and I will vote Democratic.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:27 PM
http://truthandcons.blogspot.com/2008_09_01_archive.html
People vote Democratic in Economic hard times.
Prove the Democrats are not involved in the Cloward – Piven strategy and I will vote Democratic.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:29 PM
The liberals are consumed with political racism. They do nasty sicko stuff everytime. Nothing new. Sicko people is what makes up the left.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:30 PM
Isn't it wonderful when the "Crackbabies" grow up
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:35 PM
While I detest the action, I love the results Just reading Barbara the Babe's comments and seing the hairlipped dog, "MARK mARK" and a few of the other lame brained comments is a hoot. Gotta run now, it's time to put fresh lipstick on the pig.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:36 PM
Dudes,
Seriously, chill! Didn't ya'll see the time of vandalism? 1:43 AM. It's just a pair of drunk, dumb a$$, dip $h!t$ who don't have a job to get to in the morning. If they had been near an Obama sign, Merkely, etc, they would have done the same thing.
I wouldn't worry about it.
Charlie Mac
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:37 PM
So you're feeling sorry regarding these anarchists/arsonists being charged with 8 felonies... here's a clue. It's not just about burning something made of wood; it's about thugs intimidating Americans from their exercise of Free Speech. The punishment should fit the crime becuse this is an attack on the constitutional rights of everyone: A minimum of ten years in prison just might discourage this insanity.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:38 PM
I am an Obama supporter, and I'm upset that extremists on both sides are resorting to indefensible behavior. You can't criticize McCain's crowd for bringing Curious George figures with "Obama" stickers to rallies, and then turn around and go firebombing campaign signs. These knuckleheads ought to be punished severely.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:42 PM
The Lamestream Media (LSM) has been 100% in the tank for the Dems since FDR. It's surprising this story was even reported. The gatekeeping DNC censors must have been asleep at the wheel. Mister RINO Maverick is not my favorite Republican by any means, but what choice s there? Another Demo empty-suited economically-illiterate smokeblower in the endless and unending daisy chain in the tradition of McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, KKKlinton, Gore and Kerry. How does Obama differ in any real way from the preceding list of effete jerks? Answer: He doesn't. By the way, Lenin wasn't just a criminal: he ordered the murder of the Czar's family.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:45 PM
It's likely that they had read this outrageous article about McCain where he helped a crony steal $18 million from taxpayers.
http://www.mercurynews.com/centralcoast/ci_10703310
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:51 PM
"How many more people will turn coward when the time comes to storm the barricades and repress the hatespeakers who simply refuse to get with the program?
It is just that sort of thinking which will allow four to eight more years of unregulated, uncontrolled, destructive capitalist policies through the election of McPalin."
Hey Ira! Bring it on you pinko Marxist. It is the socialism in this country that is causing the problems, not the Capitalists. You want to storm my barricades? I can't wait to give you what you dererve to get. Please do it soon, and bring your merry band of Marxixts with you.
John Ross
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:52 PM
Obama is the way out all right, down and out. Democracy can collapse - its really simple, the more people who take out of the economy and don't contribue will lead to the collapse. This principle has been around for a long time but doesn't get much attention.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:54 PM
Obama has encouraged such actions by telling his bullies to "get in their faces". We have told ours to be civil but if some bully "gets in your face", get him/her out by using whatever means necessary. The Obama camp encourges bullies like these and secretly applaud their thuggish actions while saying such actions are not condoned by our camp. You folks do believe that don't you?
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 05:58 PM
It seems those two punks honed their domestic terror tactics from Obama's bomb throwing 'pal' William Ayers. (actually I regret that Governor Palin used the term "pal" to describe their relationship because its worse than that, Obama and Ayers had a 'meeting-of-the-minds' because they served on boards together to dole out millions for failed left wing causes).
Also, Obama provoked the McCain supporters in Wisconsin and Minnesota to express their anxieties because he did demand that his followers get in the faces of McCain supporters.
I'm sick and tired of the Obama campaign's attempt to drag the USA down the slippery slope of a new dark age of racial McCarthyism by falsely accusing everyone who disagrees with them a "racist."
I'm a registered democrat and work in NYC as a lawyer and I'm voting McCain/Palin.
God Bless America
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 06:28 PM
I have bad news for NObama supporters. NObama is not the way out, but the way into Shackles and Slavery. You will find yourselves more oppressed than you could have ever imagined. You freedoms will be stripped and your guns taken away so you can't fight back when you realize what you have done. I pity you fools that support this fraud. But on't come looking to me for help when you're getting lashes in the public square for your bad behavior.
MCCAIN/PALIN 2008!!
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 07:10 PM
Steve -
AMERICA destroyed their future? Just like a rape victim destroys the future of her attacker by pressing charges? You make your choices and you live with the consequences (well, at least that used to be the theory).
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 07:17 PM
JG, you seem to forget that the KKK does not represent conservatives. How about your revered Sen Byrd?
Obama has been using his goons to squelch anyone who speaks out against him. He threatened to have the FCC licenses of radio and TV stations revoked if they aired ads from the NRA. Chavez would be proud of Obama's tactics. Truth squads to shut down any dissent. Ray Bradbury was spot on, just was a couple decades early in his predictions.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 07:19 PM
Dangerously adolescent behavior from supporters of a genuinely dangerous adolescent.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 07:41 PM
Well guess what? It would seem that there is hate & rage among the Obamaniacs. I thought they were all tolerant, peace loving folk. Guess not.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:35 PM
The political left introduces hate, bigotry and propaganda in the schools. A pity while Republicans are still waiting for serious dialogue and debate from the political left.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:37 PM
JG,
Apparently you're unaware that the Ku Klux Klan is a racist organization started and run by Southern DEMOCRATS throughout the vast majority of its long murderous history, from post-Civil War times through the Civil Rights Era of the 50s and 60s.
Longtime Democratic Senator Robert Byrd is, himself, a former member.
Don't try to re-write history and pass Democrats' sordid past onto Republicans.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Wade said he was upset with extremists on both sides. I think obama is the biggest extremist here, proven- he has sat in a racist church for 20 years, the guy who launched his political career, William Aires, not only confessed to being a domestic bomber but in 2001 he wrote that he wished his group had done more. The current economic crisis was caused by GSE's freddy and fannie, the loans were packaged and sold (infected) Wall Street. Franklin Reins ran fannie for six years until 2006 and made 90 million dollars and resigned due to a fraud issue. Franklin Reins is an obama economic adviser!!! I'm afraid this election has become such an emotional issue his supporters don't care how extremist he is.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Obama isn't black, he's yellow...a coward, that's why I won't vote for him!
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:49 PM
Oh my golly. Can we say temper tantrum?
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:49 PM
Yes, this is another sign of the same militant thinking that produced teens in black shirts and combat fatigue pants chanting Obama themes in Florida, where they currently have 30,000 felons registered to vote, and had mindless little children singing senselessly to their cult leader because some Hollywood sickos told them to. In other words, both situations are Obama Voter Heaven.
The tolerance of the leftists is so inspiring....NOT!
It is really too bad that those of us who do not want to have to endure vandalism can't put a McCain sign up, but we freely allow the Obamamaniacs to express their own, but twisted, allegiances to their candidate (or Messiah?) I know not one of my fellow conservatives who would vandalize anything, much less a neighbor's freedom of expression.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:50 PM
Sounds like a bit of backlash from the McCain Palin rallies that are inciting anger and shouts of "kill", "traitor", and "off with his head" referring to Obama. McCain and Palin are playing with fire, no pun intended, but these idiots should have known better. This is precisely why McCain and Palin need to tone down the rhetoric. It brings out the worst in people. Can't wait to celebrate an Obama victory on Nov. 5th...Cheers from Ohio!!
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:52 PM
anyone who thinks these guys deserve 8 felonies and 10 years jail time for burning a wooden sign is a buzz cut cop looking for overtime. what about the trillions of dollars the gangsters in new york and washington stole. how many felonies do they get? the police are now tools of the feds. 8 felonies, who's intimidating who? your living in a police state and don't even know it. both candidates stink by the way. ron paul and pat buchanan were always right!
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:54 PM
this action and most of the comments are the reasons I moved away from Portland 5 years ago-after 30 years of residence.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:56 PM
This is great - When McCain wins, they libs will all riot and burn there own houses down thus solving the problem of too many houses on the market. They can then go live in the forclosed houses they already ransacked.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:58 PM
Dear Ira Braithwaite,
Thank you so much, sir, for your earlier comment! I have copied and pasted your thoughts and sent it out to my Democrat fence-sitting friends. Finally, an Obama supporter who 'fesses up and compares Obama to Lenin and Che!!! The truth IS coming out! Thanks for making my job that much easier!!!
You have a wonderful day now--oh, and keep talking--PLEASE!!!!! See ya' 'round the 'net!!! :-)
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 08:59 PM
the amazing thing is that the media now has everyone fighting and thinking that theres a difference between democrats and republicans. there is no difference!! they all lie because you can't do anything about it.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:03 PM
We should all take the liberal example of toning down the rhetoric and the hate - just like liberals did in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:03 PM
Well,there are two more idiots who don't understand the Electoral College.They're under the illusion that every vote counts.
Personally,I feel that since no one under 35 can be President,no one under 35 should be allowed to vote for President either.Further,voting should be an earned privilege.You should be able to show proficiency,as is the case with anything else in this world.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:04 PM
Remember that Lenin and Che were considered criminals by repressors in their times before being championed as heroes for the people and true, enduring change agents.
Change must come from the streets.
So let the hammerblows for change through Obama be struck in the streets of Portland.
"Ira Braithwaite"
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Boy this proves Obama supporters are violent communists. I* see riots no matter who wins....the marshall law is on it's way folks. These people are fanning the flames of hatred, in your face.
God have mercy on this once great nation.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:05 PM
I have had two McCain/Palin signs stolen from my yard by cowards. Seems that the Obama folks believe in free speech for everyone except their opposition.
The Democrats always accuse the opposition of crimes that their side is already engaged in and when called on this bring up stuff from 50 years ago such as the KKK, and McCarthy (a democrat fav).
docfjs
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:12 PM
Wow Ira...so you support the use of Terrorism to suppress free speech...wow, very American! How typical of angry and unreasonable extremist. Wrong is wrong..end of story
And although I don't agree with Tom's Idea on age limits, I would love to check to see exactly what people know.
Here is a great example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoE
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:15 PM
Obama seems to bring out the worse in Democrats.
These people should be charged with hate crimes and locked up forever.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:16 PM
Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire II.
We love sequels. Enjoy the ride.
http://www.beyondpuke.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:18 PM
All this weekend I read in papers and listen to television and it seems like all the mass media was telling us how McCain is stoking fires or rousing mob. Yet it is non McCain persons making dangerous combustible and setting fires maybe the media elitist like Dowd and Rich should be asking Obama to back off so people will cool down.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:19 PM
two words-Weather Underground
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:21 PM
This is just another sign of the far left out of control. These are uneducated people who work on pure emotions, not brains. Obama - Rev Wright, Acorn all the same marxist. Wake up people, the Obama is acting like he is for change for everyone. He is evil and the people behind him are plotting and planning for a socialist take over. Wake Up American, before its to late.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:23 PM
With all the voter fraud and voter intimidation the Democrat party is looking more and more like the Communist party.
If Obama wins and the Democrats take over complete control of the government we can only expect more voter fraud and intimidation as the Democrats widen the financial pipeline to groups like ACORN.
The stock market moves on fear and hope. Right now it seems to be scared shltless about a possible Obama win.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:25 PM
Ira Braithwaite,
Sounds like you got your talking points straight from Obama's hero Saul Alinsky and his good friends at ACORN.
I have to give you credit,though. At least you don't lie about your true feelings, unlike your fearless leader.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:35 PM
Why does he even bother having signs in Oregon. Let's face it, he doesn't have a chance where people talk to trees, and women don't shave their underarms.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:37 PM
The FACTS are not as important as the story put on them.
As to executive experience, Palin is hands down the only candidate out of the four who has it.
Ok libs/socialists, go ahead and pee on my shoes and tell me it's raining one more time.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:38 PM
Oh no a burning cardboard sign! Call the fire department! 8 felony counts is not enough! They deserve 20 plus years in jail! Molitov cocktail!! You mean a bottle with a flamable liquid in it!?! Dear god terror ! Terror! Im scared for my families life! Burning a cardboard sign with a flamable liquid goes beyond the pale! And it was a republican sign so that means its against god! We should all pray the justice system puts these two socialist pigs away quick! So our children will be safe at night.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:44 PM
Obama uses all the same Communist tactics as Che, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. He is a student of Catro and Chavez. Do not succumb to socialism America!
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:47 PM
You guys all seem to think that these young vandals were trying to make a political statement. The article doesn't address their motives at all. For all we know, they are just young vandals who happened on an easy target for their fire toys.
These children need a real strong dose of reality check for their actions and we should leave that determination to the professionals. I don't think their punishment should scar them for life, but it should discourage their bad behaviour big time.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:47 PM
Liberals are ill. They are bigoted, hateful, arrogant, sanctimonious hypocrites -- and many of them actually know this at least to some degree, and yet they embrace their warped and nauseating behavior as a "justifiable" means to force through their misguided and twisted ideology. That's just sick.
Furthermore, liberals are groveling little brainwashed weak-minded sissies.
Furthermore, liberals are ignorant and self-destructive cowards, afraid to face the Great Wide-open -- it is WELL KNOWN what socialism and totalitarianism will bring -- they are the inverse of liberty and freedom; and still, liberals push for these things.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 09:59 PM
That is a small fraction of what Bill Ayers did. Obama is a radical.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Sorry, "JG" you need a few history lessons. Most "KKK" memebers have been Democrats, not Republicans. Secondly, a higher percentage of Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act and Voters Rights Acts, than Democrats.
Thirdly, both the 14th and 15th Amendments were passed to STOP Democrats from denying basic rights to Blacks.
Fourth, it wasn't Republican Governors barring admission to Black students to college. Fifth, it was Republican administrations who ordered in the National Guard to allow entrance to Colleges. Sixth, it was Eisenhower who first tried to pass the civil rights act...twice! Only to be voted down by Democrats.
Get your facts, right, "JG". It's always been Republicans in favor of civil rights, not Democrats!
And Ira Braithwaite, what can be said of someone so entirely ignorant of history. The folks you champion were butchers, plain and simple. Lenin was a mass-murderer, plain and simple. He slaughtered millions! Che was simply an ignorant butcher, plain and simple, and a coward as well. The first time he ever faced a force equal to his own, he turned and ran.
Before you post here boys, it would be wise to educate yourselves. Otherwise, you're exposed as the idiots you are...
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:04 PM
ok, a molotav cocktail is bad. I'll probably vote for McCain but damn, 8 FELONY counts. That's a little steep for people that young. I hope they just get a $5,000 fine and probation. I doubt they're career offenders after this clusterf***.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:11 PM
Maybe they're students of Professor William Ayers and this was just a "class project"?
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:13 PM
It is amazing the ignorance in America. The KKK was started by the Democrats and the NAACP was started by Republicans Check it out get informed. My point is to show how uninformed the average citizen is and who the people are the really have fought individual rights and freedoms from their inception "The Democrats."
Race baiting is a tool of the Democrats and Obama has mastered the subliminal how to's of race baiting and the black community think he is their savior and al he is doing is using his race to get power to be like Hugo Chavez and the Castro brothers. Wake up America!!
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:14 PM
It seems the Obama campaign of Getting in their Face has the younger people engerized to no end. Trying to force the FEC to pull the license of TV and radio Stations that air the NRA ads, trying to shut down the WGN radio interview with authors who disagree with Obama, using Truth Squads in MO to force the police to arrest anyone who says a lie about Obama, goodness, what ever happened to Free Speach!!! The MSM says everything Obama says is true, but, most of it has been proven to be a lie. On Bill Ayers - Obama says he is just a guy in the neighborhood, yet they have an association that is rather close since 1995. Plus the fact that Ayers is working with Hugho Chevaz who hates American. What about his friendship with Emil of Ill. who is now in jail, the Mayor of Detroit who is now disgraced and facing jail. But, Chicago Mayor Daly ssid it right - They are friends -So What? We really do not know too much about this man and he wants to be President. The Democrats refusing to stop GSE Frannie and Freddy is what has led to the economic meltdown with the subprime mortgages and Raines resigning taking $90 million when he should be placed in jail for economic fraud against America, yet, the liberals do not care. Time for the voters to get real and learn to read the facts about Senator Obama. All of his former friends (he throws them under the bus to get elected) are known communist, marxists and socialist. Now throw in ACORN whom he gave $800,000 to get out the vote and in 14 states they are charged with all types of crime and one of the founders took over $1 million of our tax dollars for himself.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Che used to tie his victims up and make their family watch while he killed them with a baseball bat. For a change of pace, he would kill the family, and make the husband watch. Then he would kill the husband. He came from a nice home in Argentina where his parents were doctors. Go figure. Americans espousing his ideals are traitors. He was a criminal and an inept revolutionary. Castro sent him away because he was a nut job.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Meet the new Weather Underground.
The names might as well be Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers.
I won't even put a McCain sign out as there are many black folk and Muslims in my neighborhood with Obama signs and I don't like waking up at 3 A.M. from the loud crash/bang and having to clean up broken glass in the living room or bedroom since the last storm window was busted.
Something the radicals on the left don't understand is that McCain is liberal. John Kerry asked him to be the V.P. on the 2004 Democratic ticket. The media used to love him. Now, the media is largely to blame for polarizing America as it is. I blamed the media for inciting the L.A. riots for playing the video of Rodney King 24/7. Well, the media has turned attack dog on McCain and covered for Obama. People are angry on both sides and the media is at fault for poisoning minds and omitting facts. I just watched this video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI
and I couldn't believe it. The shout down tactics remind me of the National Socialists in Germany. Funny thing to hear the same fascists use the word NAZI. One thing the far left should understand; Republicans don't care for McCain and don't like W or the war...but we DO fear what a Socialist like Obama could do to this country...and that we'll never get lost freedoms back once they're gone.
One more thing...I saw someone claim Republicans were responsible for the KKK. No sir. Go back and re-educate. The KKK was started by Dems after the war and hated Reps most. They marched around the Catholic Church where my Irish Grandfather and Grandmother were married. The hoods didn't cover well, they knew who they were...and they were all Democrats.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Maybe they will learn to value the concept of private property in prison when their rear ends become public property.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Ah, yes....the champions of free speech are at it again! All speech is tolerated...except for anything or anyone who disagrees with them.
I live in Republican Orange County and I'm afraid to put a McCain/Palin sign on my lawn or bumper sticker on my car because I KNOW how intolerant most of the liberals are and how shrill they have become. They would deface my property in a heartbeat if given the chance.
On the other hand, if conservatives see one of their bumper stickers or lawn signs, we just feel sorry for them and silently marvel at their ignorance.
I will be the first to defend even an idiot's right to free speech, because if you take away their right, you take away mine.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:37 PM
This is just another example of the strong arm tactics used my the Obama campaign and his supporters to try to silence the opposition. I am a McCain/Palin supporter because I support the right to free speech.
Obama's Marxist, socialist, and communist policies would eliminate this right and many others. Wake up all of you who support him, because he will throw you and your rights under the bus, just like he has his associates Rezco, Ayers, and Rev. Wright, once you are no longer useful to him.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:49 PM
IT IS JUST THE BEGINNING///////////////
WAIT TILL THE ELECTION IS OVER
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI is an example of liberal freedom....it is my way or no way....but you are FREE to choose my way. The more people are bullied like this the more people with centrist views are pushed towards McCain.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:54 PM
"JG"
It seems that you do not know US history; probably educated by the liberal education establishment. KKK was a DEMOCRATIC party organization.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:56 PM
Yup, The DemoRATS have always been good at burning things!
First crosses.......and now signs!
Oh the good ol'e days of the KKK Demorats are back!
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:57 PM
It was not the simple act of burning a few dollars worth of campaign sign that sets me on fire. It is the attempt to terrorize a home owner from expressing his, or her political preference. This cowardly act by simple minded terrorist is not any different than the KKK burning crosses in negros front yards a very few years ago. Oh yes, there is a small difference, the KKK brought the crosses they burned with them and they did not belong to the home owner.
Intimidation in any color, or belief is still intimidation and those who resort to it ought to spend a few years in the lock up for their ill informed activities.
Oh yes, all negros are not black, most are more or less brown sort of like whites who spend too much time out cooking themselves in the hot burning sun.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:20 PM
This is an attack on America and an attack on John McCain. I hear NOBODY in the Obama campaign denouncing these kind of attacks. That's because Obama and his cronies encourage this kind of behavior.
Obama is a MARXIST and this is what Marxists do -- attempt to win by any means necessary. Firebombing homes is just the beginning.
America, PLEASE vote John McCain. Keep America free, vote McCain / Palin!!!
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:44 PM
"So Mike won't be making the protests anymore?
"How many more people will turn coward when the time comes to storm the barricades and repress the hatespeakers who simply refuse to get with the program?
"It is just that sort of thinking which will allow four to eight more years of unregulated, uncontrolled, destructive capitalist policies through the election of McPalin.
"People must be shown that Obama is the way out, the truth being spoken, and the hope for true change.
"Remember that Lenin and Che were considered criminals by repressors in their times before being championed as heroes for the people and true, enduring change agents.
"Change must come from the streets.
"So let the hammerblows for change through Obama be struck in the streets of Portland."
So, conservatives who refuse to "get with the program" are to be "repressed" and "shown that that Obama is the way out"? Or else what? Is big bad Bill Ayers going to bomb us out of existence?
You are going to lose this election, but just in case, we conservative have guns.
I guess it's easy to post this crap from a dorm room or a TA's office, huh?
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:45 PM
"Oh the good ol'e days of the KKK Demorats are back!" -Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder
Huh they are back backing a Black candidate? How does that work... them are some liberal Klan members.
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Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 11:56 PM
Can any of you Obama supporters give me one example of anything the man has achieved that helped someone else? Just one! So far the man is an empty suit. Voting for Obama simply because you don't like McCai is really pretty dumb. It was McCain back in 2005 that recommended the Congress investigate Freddie and Fannie and it was the Democrats that failed to do so. In 1999 it was the Democrats that pressured the banks to lend money to folks who couldn't possibly repay the loans...the excuse being that it would increase home sales and create jobs for the poor.
Well, you see what you got.
Don't get emotional folks. Look up the facts, pay attention to what really took place. I have concluded that there are many folks who'll vote for Obama simply because he's the guy the Media and his party want to see in office. I asking the fence sitters to take a close look at the facts.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:05 AM
HA! You leftist fruitcakes who brag about "storming the barricades" - You're living in a dream world. You have NO idea what you're beckoning if you try that bull-schumer. Those of us who will defend America are not not going to be down on any "Barricades" you're "storming" - we'll be in a window 300 yards away, with a match rifle, just like our ancestors who threw the British out. You don't have a friggin CLUE what you're're bargaining for if you try a full-scale revolt. The cops will be able to just stand back and watch the fun - and that's exactly what they'll do, while you little babies WAIL for them to come protect you from the consequences of your soft, pampered, middle-class Mama's boy Marxist delusions.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:11 AM
"Sounds like a bit of backlash from the McCain Palin rallies that are inciting anger and shouts of "kill", "traitor", and "off with his head" referring to Obama. McCain and Palin are playing with fire, no pun intended, but these idiots should have known better. This is precisely why McCain and Palin need to tone down the rhetoric. It brings out the worst in people. Can't wait to celebrate an Obama victory on Nov. 5th...Cheers from Ohio!!"
So that's your excuse? A random guy (maybe even an Obama plant) yells a random threat at a rally and the candidate immediately rebukes him, but it justifies punks throwing Molotov cocktails at a house in a different state because the family who lives there has that candidate's sign on his lawn?
I'd like to see you make that stand up in court. When are you flying to Oregon to testify for these two delinquents?
I've learned a lot about liberals this election, and a lot of it has been really bad. I never realized how many budding fascists were out there. There are hundreds, maybe thousands.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Thank You Patrica for an insightful response in a sea
of absolutely insane comments. I've seen the tactics
played by the left this time around, and I pay too much
money for the things I own to point them out to these fools to vandalize with a campaign sticker.
I knew this election cycle was going crazy when I saw
Obama speaking to college kids telling them he was going
to raise capital gains tax rates. I'd have to believe
a person getting a higher education intended someday to
earn a good living, but they were cheering a man telling
them he'd tax the pants off their income level. Ignorance like that only comes around when people are
either extremely stoned, or clueless.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:12 AM
There are a lot of "courageous" people with obama signs here in Portland. These are the lovers of free speech, of course. Such hypocrites. That's why they want the ill-named "Fairness Doctrine" to return. They hate -- and I mean they're haters -- opposing views, ideas, thought, opinions... they're the most intolerable people on this planet.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:13 AM
I wish Oregon had a three strikes law...and these insane liberals would get locked up for good. Obama and his followers don't think any laws apply to them.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Okay, first of all let me say that I am an Obama supporter, but I do not condone what these men did. HOWEVER, there seem to be a lot of Republicans here saying that their party doesn't do such things, and I can tell you that's simply not true. I used to have a small Obama sign. It got stolen. I got another. It was stolen, too. So I got one of the big wooden ones that aren't easily removed. It was egged, and then somebody rammed it with their car. It hasn't been burned yet, but I'm guessing it's just a matter of time. Probably the only reason my house hasn't been vandalized is because it sits too far from the street. I've been yelled at by people in other cars because of my bumper sticker. My husband was physically threatened for wearing a T-shirt with the campaign logo on it. I condemn the actions of the men who burned the McCain sign. Tell me, Republicans, do you condemn the actions of the people who did these things to me?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:25 AM
Yes, extremists exist at both ends of the political spectrum. We should not hate them, but realize that they are relatively small in number and mainly just noisy and obnoxious. The extremists I have encountered are also rather cowardly, expressing their views only anonymously or in group gatherings. Obama? McCain? Who cares. Nothing will change until we take money out of politics. I hate to say it, but I believe only a frightening, common enemy will bring the vast majority of us "normal" Americans together.
BTW - this was not a harmless prank perpetrated by by a couple of kids after the bars let out. It takes premeditation and effort to make a molotov cocktail and throw it within feet of an occupied home.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:32 AM
I live just outside of the Portland Metro area. I have a McCain yard sign, and 2 bumper stickers on my car. The other day my sister was driving my daughter home and some guy flipped her off because of the bumper stickers. Shows true colors of a person...I can't say he speaks for all Obama supporters, but it made me think twice about keeping my bumper stickers on...because I have a small child and don't want any harm brought her way...People need to think twice about their actions before they act, because even if we disagree about politics, no one should be harmed/violated/endangered (unless there is a real threat and it is for defense!) I keep the bumper stickers and yard sign because I want to teach my daughter that no one can intimidate me to change my views and no one should be able to use intimidation to silence-we have great freedoms in our country, and I hate it when others' try and abuse them!
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:40 AM
I'm thinking the two guys should have been shot. But, hey, thats just me.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Lovely video I just watched on YouTube about a group of conservatives. At the end of the video, a text comment read: "The liberals' idea of unity is, and always has been, the elimination of dissent." What a sad, deceitful group of people they are when they have to purport themselves to be SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT to get the 'masses' to support them. If they were honest about their agenda, how many people do you think would support them??
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Eliminate the ACORN-generated 1.9 illegal voter registrations and I don't think the liberal kooks will be so confident.
If it is a close election in Barak Hussain Obama's favor, I would look for the Republicans to have this election settled in court. I wonder how THAT would taste in your typical liberal kook's mouth !
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:51 AM
Ira Braithwaite says:
How many more people will turn coward when the time comes to storm the barricades and repress the hatespeakers who simply refuse to get with the program?
Thus, he calls the McCain campaign and supporters "hatespeakers", but then he says:
"Change must come from the streets. So let the hammerblows for change through Obama be struck in the streets of Portland."
Now this is a true socialist, a "fellow traveller". The "means justifies the end" crowd. They see the speck in their brothers eye, but miss the log in their own.
"The program" he refers to is the socialist agenda shoved down everyones throat. The indoctrinators.
I say we hunt old Ira down, and tar and feather the sack of human refuse.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Once again it shows what kind of people support Obama...Glad to see he's got the Juvenile Delinquent Vote cornered. What a joke...James Carville said basically that people will riot in the street if this Socialist doesn't get elected. So typical. I recently saw a video on You Tube that Puff Daddy put out...I love it!! Keep showing this garbage. It's just going to put McCain in The White House!!!
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 01:01 AM
JG: It has been the left, with the assistance of the enabling Media that have told us that McCarthy suppressed free speech, but those of us that were there recognize that he was a great American warning us of subversives in Government, and he was proved correct (btw, it’s my contention that subversives have gone much further this time around, infiltrating the MSM, academia and the government). You say that ‘numerous GOP administrations” have used similar tactics to shut up the people, yet you don’t give one bit of evidence. The last administration that was ‘known’ to truly shut up the people was Woodrow Wilson’s, a Democrat. Magazines and newspapers carried word from that administration in the form of advertisements asking fellow citizens to report on other any other fellow citizen who said the war was being lost. Too many out there who went to college and were fed the pap of the professors from the left and read the same old MSM. Read real history or check with your elders to find out the truth.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:11 AM
I sincerely pray for this country. I have shed blood and been decorated several times for heroism on a battle field and spent over 2 years in combat just to let these low class individuals do their liberal thing...I plan on leaving this nation to whom I have dedicated my life to (some 48 years of service). I will leave you folks who are more understanding and forgiving of these jerks...I am sick of being told I am a racist if I do not vote for this Marxist/Leninist Communist jerk. It has nothing to do with race...It has everything to do with policy, I will NOT give my wealth (small it may be) to some lazy jerk that has not worked for it....GOD SAVE US (EXCEPT DEMOCRATS AND COMMUNISTS)..
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:22 AM
Political signs should be treated as venerable objects that prove a culture supports liberty and all of the freedoms that come along with it.
Che and Lenin are not objects of veneration because they spawned Communisn and opposed Individual Liberty. Why not use Washington and Nathan Hale as heroic examples? Is it because you hate Liberty?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:23 AM
felonies?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:24 AM
Hopefully, these two punks aren't attempting to become the next American-grown terrorists like Obama's friend, William Ayers.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:24 AM
Normal reaction from a DEMORAT. I think therefore I vote repulican!!!
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:31 AM
We have folks out there that even if they are winning they still want to do these kinds of things. I have to say to them "be very careful of what you are wishing to happen as you might just get it"
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:17 AM
Babar,
Yeah, Joseph Robinette Biden and I agree with you on "Brockette".
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:18 AM
This kind of hate filled conduct does not reflect well on American free speech. This is a reflection of the kind of actions Barack's buddy Bill Ayers practiced. Since it is what we see before the election, what kind of horrors will follow if Barack wins? Or Loses? This is the conduct practiced by groups who want to intimidate not liberate and it was done against the Republican candidate so it is how the Democrats do and will operate! Shame! Lock those two up for "hate" crimes.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:29 AM
Those dastardly Republicans, burning their own signs and raiding their own campaign offices, after all it can not be the freedom of personal rights standard bearers, the Party of Death, the Democrats.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:36 AM
Well, I guess it holds true there in YOUR Peoples Republic, Just like in the East Koast Kollectives that the 1st Re-amendment allows for free speech only as long as you parrot the socialist party line. Watch out though, because if you idiots get what you want, you will still be less equal than others, but poorer.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:38 AM
Police standard operating procedure, even in a liberal state like Oregon, is to charge a suspect with every violation of law based on the elements of a particular crime(s). It's the prosecutor and/or the court system, via grand jury indictment and/or probable cause hearing, that will dictate what charges, if any, will be adjudicated in court. What the nitwits did was essentially tantamount to recklessly firing a machine gun and miraculously failing to do any real damage. It could have been far worse and the authorities were correct in "throwing the book" at them. The real issue here is that this act is one of intimidation and violates a citizen's right to express his or her political views. More disturbing is Obama's employment of prosecutors and police officials in Missouri to threaten criminal action(when it's actually a civil matter) to squelch free expression of political views. All that is missing is brown shirts and and swastika arm bands. I want to believe that episodes, such as the one regarding the sign, are the exception, and given wide spread coverage by a biased media. Otherwise, I live in a neighborhood with roughly an equal number of Obama and McCain signs in various front yards. I know of not one single incident of vandalism, or violence of any nature in my neighborhood. The question is, after the election, regardless of winner, will people pull together, move on, and get this country back on its feet?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:39 AM
This has been going on for 5 weeks here in Va. Signs are stolen, defaced and just this weekend....fire bombed. The hateful left does not appreciate other viewpoints. This would account for them blindly following an American hater.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:41 AM
I wonder of they were black or white.
If an Obama sign had been lit on fire by white guys liberals would be going off on how it is an indicator of the racist violence the McCain campaign is inciting with its rhetoric.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:41 AM
The two liberals were charged with a felony, the article says. And they accused REPUBLICANS of being full of hatred and vitriol.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:44 AM
This isn't just a couple of drunks. Drunks would tear stuff up, smash signs ,windows etc. MAKING a molitov cocktail is something else, PREMEDITATED. This is the ol' ends justifies the means crowd.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:44 AM
They would have been more productive puting up homemade signs reminding people of Obama's middle name.
I believe as convicted felons they can not vote any more unless they can get Acorn to register them.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:44 AM
Charlie, I second your motion, if the 50% white trash, 44% Muslim Arab, 6% Negro is elected Preddent, I will add the nation is a bunch of Racist as only reason to vote for him is because he is 6% Negro, no other qualifications has he.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:45 AM
“So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them….”
-- Barack Obama, April 2, 2008
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:46 AM
I remember people like ol' Ira from the 60's. Is he just a re-tread hippie from those days who's now found a new reason for existence with his boy Obama ? Or is he a new version, stoked in the mold of Alinsky and Marx? May God help this country if he and his ilk find newfound credibility riding the coattails of the lying fraud and Marxist that the Hypocrat Party has chosen to nominate !!
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:50 AM
http://www.dsausa.org/minutes/NPC2007sep15.pdf
Obamas vision courtesy of the DSA
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:56 AM
Amazing how many headless bloggers there are. They follow like mindless sheep, the sheepherder Obamer and his Lenin stile of pitting the workers against the business owners. Sure tax the oil companies more, will only raise the price of gas. Who owns the oil companies? The stockholders. They should all sell their stock, oil company will go out of business or be bought by China. Then import gas from Russia, ah around 13 USA dollars a gallon in Norway right now, from Russia.
Same with Bill Gates, should move his business to Austraila, his tax rate woud be flat tax, around 15%, NOT THE 39 PERCENT HE PAYING NOW.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:05 AM
... reminds me of cross burning...
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:41 AM
This is just the beginning. Obama will take up where Clinton left off, and this is where Clinton left off: torturing and gasing his own citizens "for the children." Check it out - if you dare:
http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/waco2.html
http://www.therealcuba.com/elian_gonzalez.htm
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:49 AM
WOW! is there a link to this site from a conservative website, or what?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:59 AM
Hey Ira,
What a complete ignoramus. You obviously would be happier living in North Korea. Why don't you do us all a favor and move there?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:02 AM
Mental illness may be treated but you cannot fix dumb ass. BTW dumb ass is in the Bible for you English majors and speech monitors.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:05 AM
I'm not surprised. Liberals (i.e Marxist, Socialist, etc.) don't believe in freedom of speech for others. They resort to these kinds of tactics (incl. rioting, violence, destruction, etc.) when someone has a diiferent point of view then their own. A good example of this is Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers!
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:12 AM
Ah,the party of peace,love and rights for all except Republicans and unborn children.
For them,no rights at all.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:12 AM
So, when people at McCain's town hall meeting got out of hand with remarks of Obama..Obama's crowd raised all sorts of hell.
I've noticed a strategy, get your minions to say anything about McCain or Palin, then have Obama stand up on TV and say that's not his point of view! Then the media & his minions, say what a wonderfuly person he is.
I have also found that any critizism of Obama, brings on such outrageous comments...until you mention "he's a socialist", then they say nothing!
This is the agenda...SOCIALISM!
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:15 AM
Gee, are these the same guys who stole one of my Obama signs and drove over a friends sign. Or is it just payback for my intolerance of others viewpoints.
I glad that the McCain supporters are so open minded. I know that a few nitwits don't represent the majority of his supporters.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:19 AM
Any infidel who speaks out against Obama must be destroyed. Obama is the devine one. Those two guys are maryters to the cause. Obama akbar! Obama akbar, down with those who do not agree. Speaking out against the one should be a crime. Those fire fighters should be the ones arested.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:19 AM
Portlander: Yes, there is one from the Drudge report.
Everybody else: As I said before, I've seen virtually the same behavior from some of the Republicans in my town (and actually, given that there were more incidents, I'd assume there were more than two Republicans behaving this way around here). Do all of you Republicans who are going on about how this is "typical" Democrat behavior think that those people are "typical" Republicans? Is that what you suppose the average Republican does when they see somebody with an Obama sign or shirt?
If so, then you really don't have any right to be offended by what these two men did, as it's what you would expect of your own party. If NOT, however, then you have no basis for going on about how "typical" this is, and how all Democrats are as hateful as these men are. They are at one extreme. The people who wrecked my signs and threatened my husband are at the other. Most of us are somewhere in the middle, and I don't appreciate being lumped in with these two men any more than you would appreciate being lumped in with the people I wrote about. Neither party has a monopoly on this sort of thing, and it would do us all a lot of good if we would stop pretending they did.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:19 AM
could you imagine if it were McCain supporters that did this? It would be all over the mainstream news as the main headline. Just another example of the liberal media's hatred of Republicans. Just another exmple...in 2006 McCain warned of disaster with Freddie Mac and Fannie May with having 16 other Republicans signing on, not one Demorat signed it, including Obama, yet Obama seems to be winning on the economy issue. One question for Demorats, what do you think will happen when Obama raises taxes on corporations? Overseas they go, and then charging double as payback. Wake up demorats!
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:21 AM
"The liberals are consumed with political racism. They do nasty sicko stuff everytime. Nothing new. Sicko people is what makes up the left."
Jackie,
Can you please explain the difference between political racism and just flat out racism? Also, I love it when individuals try to make an intelligent point and can't use proper grammar to save their life.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:25 AM
Yes, and our DemoRATs are so quick to claim how they are the party of "Diversity"... Hmmm.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:29 AM
These guys are no better than terrorists. Lock em up in Gitmo.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:35 AM
Burning signs. Destruction. Hate. Lying. Making Excuses. Laziness.
All liberal tendencies.
Do people in Portland like paying higher taxes? Do they encourage abortion? Do they condone Bill Ayers/Reverend Wright/Tony Rezko/Acorn... friendships?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
McCain / Palin 08 - The ONLY answer.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:36 AM
Free speech is one thing, destroying property is another. Hope they get the max.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:38 AM
Wow..comparing it to cross-burning?! That's historical ingnorance at its upmost. I'll tell you, this little incident is so insignificant that I can't believe all the posts. It is "free speech" gone to far, and they paid the fine. Over with and done with, folks. Get a life and move onward.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:41 AM
The guys should have got a paper McCain sign and burned it in a "peaceful manner". The right to protest is a good thing, but not to scare, intimidate, and destroy personal property. I support their right to peacfully protest McCain, even burn a campaign sign that they have lawfully aquired. On the other hand, I think they need to look on a personal level, that this action would make them look very radical. That's a turn-off to the masses. Let them show their true colors. I WILL DEFINETLY BE VOTING FOR MCCAIN/PALIN!!!!!!!
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:41 AM
Should Obama size control of the government, he will send out Bill Ayers with his other gleeful terrorist thugs and his Field Marshall Nation of Islam Leader Louis"Obama is DEFINITELY the Messiah" Farrakhan to firebomb your house and burn up your children should anyone dare display or say anything in opposition to the Dear Leader.
This is not an isolated case. Obama-crats have been waging a quiet terrorist campaign against anyone who does not agree with them for months now. Same as the Kerry Terrorist-Crats and the Gore-Terrorist-Crats before him.
This is the same way all totalitarian dictators come to power. The warning signs were always ignored.
The end always justifies the means with the Neo-Marxists that make up the Democrat party these days. That is why there is massive voter fraud in all 50 states by the Neo-Marxist-Crats.
The election will likely have to be declared null and void and postponed until we get to the bottom of this ACORN coup and make examples out of all connected with ACORN.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:42 AM
The one "constant" about liberals-- they aren't.
Consider this: Every one of Obama's opposition has been called a RACIST. Even John Edwards.
Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Geraldine Ferraro, John Edwards, Joe Biden, John McCain, and of course, Sarah Palin.
Oppose Obama? Your a racist. Disagree with Obama? Your a racist.
Code words: Described by Obama supporters (Sharpton, Jacksion, Waters, Meeks, Brazile ET AL) as certain words racist use to fan the flames. Words like "fairy Tale", "Not like us" are "code words".
It would seem that the real "code words" are any words Obama supporters choose to imply racism. And, once accused, you are guilty-- of course!
A liberal's idea of UNITY is the elimination of any dissenting opinion. What better way to eliminate dissenting opinion than to label the dissenter a racist?
Watch the hearings back when Republicans were calling for regulation on Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. The Democrats were so sure that any criticism of Raines was based in racism that they were spitting and cursing! Harry Reid, recently on an interview, when asked about the 3 Obama advisors tied to the mortgage scandal, singled out Raines as an African American and accused the radio interviewer of being a racist. Look at Letterman and Leno. Ever hear them make jokes about Obama? They poked fun at Hillary, they ragged on McCain, they target Palin and make fun of Biden. But, Obama? They don't dare.
If Obama becomes President, any criticism of his policies can (and will) be dismissed with the wave of the magic "racist" wand.
Is this what we want?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:49 AM
What will the Obama campaign do once it's revealed that Obama and his Senate office gave advice to his relative Odinga in Kenya in his run for the president of the country? Have a hissy fit I suspect. Oh BTW Odinga lost and his supporters went on a 'in your face' rampage killing Christians and burning churches. Yes, Odinga is a Muslim and wants Sharia law implemented.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:55 AM
The perps here can take comfort in the fact that if it had been an Obama sign, they would have been charged with a "hate crime" as well, and another 10 years added to their sentence.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 07:36 AM
When this sort of thing happens, every comment seems to generalize... not ALL Obama supporters are against free speech because some guys burned a McCain sign, seriously
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 07:43 AM
The usual suspects...liberals who wants to shut down the free speech of those who disagree with them.
Is that America?
I don't think so.
But never mind about that...no credit? no money? NO Problem!
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 07:55 AM
"JG, you seem to forget that the KKK does not represent conservatives."
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Nor do these thugs represent ME, or the majority of Obama supporters, or a even those who favor a left-leaning ideology (by the way, I'm registered Libertarian.)
Sensible people make their beliefs known at the ballot box and through SENSIBLE dialogue...they don't torch lawn signs, or smash windows, or burn crosses, or burn books, or hang effigies of Obama from trees, or burn flags, or burn effigies of GW Bush, or yell "traitor" and "kill him" at a McCain/Palin rally, or call Obama supporters "Marxists."
In my opinion, anyone who feels the need to resort to such hate-filled, vitriolic means to get their point across - be they burning lawn signs or calling people "sicko pinko Marxists" - probably isn't 100% convinced they really are right, or isn't sure how to back up their claim with fact and reason, and is simply spewing rhetoric fed to them by their fellow lemmings.
"Get your facts, right, "JG". It's always been Republicans in favor of civil rights, not Democrats!"
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Prove it.
Go ahead - find me absolute proof that the far right has been more in favor of civil liberties than the left.
And I'm choosing "left" vs. "right" because there was a time when Republicans were the more liberal party (Lincoln, et al.)
I'm thinking right off the top of things like suffrage, the reversal of Jim Crow laws, giving blacks the right to vote, desegregation, gay rights, free speech issues surrounding pornography, banned books, etc. as pretty well-known examples where the right wanted to strip away civil liberties to impose their own agenda/morality.
The really interesting thing about this issue is...
Nowhere in the article did it state that these hooligans are supporters of Obama, or radical leftists, or Democrats.
Perhaps they were just punks out looking to torch something, and are too stupid to have a political ideology.
But alas, my post will probably be followed by a bunch of nonsensical and desperate rambling about "Nobama" or "Marxists" and will be void of any real intelligence.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 08:05 AM
These are two young men who made a mistake. It's the adults on this site who should be ashamed of the hateful, outrageous comments being made on both sides.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:24 AM
Take a view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Take a view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Two more (future) convicted felons that will not be able to cast a legal vote but thanks to corrupt groups like ACORN will still be able to vote 100 times each election.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Liz said:
"These are two young men who made a mistake. It's the adults on this site who should be ashamed of the hateful, outrageous comments being made on both sides."
These are two young men who endangered lives and property through the use of felonious (very serious) crime. That wasn't a mistake, it was intentional and motivated by hatred and intolerance. I have to wonder if two young men made a mistake and burned down your house, killing people you love in the process, if you would be so "tolerant" of their conduct.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Where's David Gergen, Frank Rich, Mo Dowd, Rep Louis, Obama at on commenting on the violence on the left side of the aisle? Where's the MSM on this and many other incidents on the left's violence? I don't approve of it on either side, but this omission of "equal" time for all of this is seemingly missing at the same level of the way it's reported if it's a Republican. I'm glad to see this paper actually reported it. The NYT, WaPo, LA Times could take a lesson.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Maybe the two young men can get together with another of Obama's friends.
http://diskbooks.typepad.com/vote_mccainpalin/2008/10/obamas-friend-a.html
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:22 PM
This is all about the First Amendment. Let's not follow the gov't down the path of censorship. After all, censorship is becoming America's favorite past-time. The US gov't (and their corporate friends), already place protesters in fenced-in cages, ban books like "America Deceived" from Wikipedia, Amazon and Facebook, and shut down Ron Paul. Free Speech forever, even for lawn signs.
Last link (before Google Books caves to pressure and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000083883
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Well, that's typical of the tolerant open-minded liberal progressive (marxist) thugs that have taken over the Democrat party and news outlets such as MSNBC. They constantly bemoan the virtually non-existent hate, bigotry, and racism of Republicans when in fact it is Democrats who always resort to violence and vandalism to silence any dissent to their planned communist tyranny. Just watch MSNBC and the constant vitriolic hate and derision directed towards Republicans, conservatives, Christians and other decent people. You Democrats better reign in your "Red Guard" thugs before this country explodes into civil war. Be on notice that We The People will NEVER accept your communist tyranny.
And JG, Obama IS a marxist. Guaranteed. You can take it to the bank. Of course, you microcephalic drug-infested liberal nitwits in Oregon probably think that's a good thing.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:27 PM
I have a question for all of you! Each and every one of you folks leaving comments! This question arises from sifting a bit through this treasure trove of hypocrisy, ignorance, fear, and arrogance...
Why do you hate America?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM
I guess "freedom of speech" will soon be changed to "freedom of Liberally biased speech......sad
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Is this what Barack Hussein Obama meant when he urged his supporters to "get in their faces"?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM
"No ties to lines drawn by humans", and you are so righteous, intelligent, brave, and benevolent that you can pass judgement on whether "Each and every one of you folks leaving comments!" hate America? How can you even say something like that? If people didn't care about their country they wouldn't be leaving comments about this article. It's their rights as Americans to do so and until it's decided to take that away, I'll keep on fighting to protect our country, their rights, and your right to say what you want.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 01:23 PM
"No ties to lines drawn by humans"
That's an interesting choice for a nickname, because it directly contradicts the very question you asked.
If you have no ties to lines drawn by humans, then you shouldn't be making blanket statements of condemnation based merely on your surface scan of a few vitriolic posts.
And if you have no ties to lines drawn by humans, there really is no such thing as "America," and therefore, nothing for anyone to hate.
The funny thing about your question is...to whom is it directed? There are many extreme and nasty anti-Obama posts, but there are a few (mine included) that certainly couldn't have triggered your question.
Did you bother to read before you passed judgment on a large group of people based on very little evidence (something I'm sure is done by those with whom YOU disagree?)
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 01:52 PM
Ira...Please feel free to visit my neighborhoodand storm the barricades of my home with your hammerblows of change philosophy. De sure to bring all of your fellow communist manifesto wielding comrades as I would like to meet them at the same time. I certainly qualify as a coward as you have defined it and need social reprogramming.
Your impotent rhetoric is a fine example of the cowardice of liberals. You rally, you cry and you find fault but let others defend your right to your idiocy. I bet you also do not honor those who serve to defend your liberties which allow you to harbor your hollow beliefs.
So please, storm the barricades of my home. I would like to introduce you to an American right you most likely would like to extinguish...the right to defend my property.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:26 PM
"Consider this: Every one of Obama's opposition has been called a RACIST."
That may or may not be true, but...
It is a known fact that criticism of Sarah Palin was labeled as "sexist" by the McCain campaign.
So...what's your point?
Or are you admitting you have a double standard?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:26 PM
With names like that, I wonder what their skin color is?
Obviously, just like the Hitler "Youth Corp." This is Part of the Obama "Youth Corp". Let's see, if 95% of the blacks vote for Obama because he is black, that's not racist, but if I don't vote for him because he is black then that is racist? I guess I'm missing something here.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:28 PM
Have you noticed that liberals are always the ones who try to shout down speakers at colleges, etc., and do anything possible to stop free speech. I'm sure there are some decent people with liberal views, but a whole bunch of them are ignorant thugs, who do not believe someone with opposite views have a right to speak. I have never once in my life heard of Democrat speakers being shouted down by conservatives. Over the years there has been a lot of vandalism done by these thugs.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:31 PM
"Steel on target" You missed it.
"JG" Glad you caught part of what was intended. The contradiction was intentional. Pointing out the illusion was intentional as well. The direction of the question posed was toward all and none. The remark is intentionally facetious. In the glories of the Internet, that never crosses in translation. In face-to-face discussion it would be more clear. It is something that a few friends use now and then partly as a joke and partly to drop a hint. A sudden, absurd question to put a swift end to an absurd argument.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:32 PM
I think one of the reasons people are so angry is they are tired of being marginalized. For 8 years now, my side has been called "anti-christ, leftist nut-job, adolescent, socialist, wing-nut, irrelevant, pro-terror, weak" etc. Essentially I've been called every name in the book despite being well spoken and able to define every element of my liberal agenda. My socio-economic needs are best meet by Democrats. I have not taken a dime of Federal or State money since 1992 including unemployement insurance. I don't believe personal responsibilty is exclusive to REpublicans. Certainly the un-auditable half of the military budget should be slashed (Pentagon I'm looking at you). The difference between parties boils down to what you think is as waste of money, dead end defense deals that benefit only the military industrial complex or domestic social and infrastructural spending that benefit a greater majority of Americans.
The Republican dream is to reduce government to law enforcement and war-mongering.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 02:57 PM
Glad I live in a part of the country where we still enjoy the right to free speech.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:29 PM
To all who ask "why 8 felony counts":
A Molotov Cocktail, or petrol bomb, is classified as a "Destructive Devise" by the National Firearms Act. As such, it is legally and funtionally no different than a hand grenade.
Now, would any of you question the charges against these 23 year old "boys" if they had thrown a grenade at that sign?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 03:53 PM
No, folks, this is not a hate crime. The perps are democrats and this is _portland_.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:10 PM
"Liz" has made the single most intelligent comment in this whole string of diatribe.....
"These are two young men who made a mistake. It's the adults on this site who should be ashamed of the hateful, outrageous comments being made on both sides."
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:18 PM
Mike Dillon >
Maybe, then, you should grow up. When Republicans were 'marginalized' we didn't do any of the nonsense that the Left has done.
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Yep, and what have you called MY side? I get called 'Nazi' or 'Fascist' so often that it doesn't even faze me anymore. Have you ever bothered to read the fetid slop over at DailyKos that is now spilling into the regular media?
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It certainly is not a Democratic Party value.
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This is what got us into this terrorist situation in the first place. Under Clinton we let our guard down. Why is calling you 'pro-terrorist' out of line?
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Despite the diatribe, the US Constitution specifically calls for spending money on defense.
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Something that the Constitution does not explicitly provide for.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:34 PM
So a couple of punks burned a lousy sign in someone's front yard and the left says 'no big deal'?.
I'm sure the left won't get all excited next time a couple of KKK thugs burn a couple of two-by-fours nailed together on someone's front yard...no big deal, right?
And Frank Rich is worried about the right?
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:41 PM
It hasn't even been established that the arson was politically-motivated, but a whole lot of people here have already figured out how the motive either represents the mentality of one party or is justified by the actions of the other. Fortunately, none of these people have access to the button.
Furthermore, this is Portland: If you assume that a McCain critic is an Obama supporter, you do not understand Oregon. (Please exit the state in a calm, orderly manner. Exits are located to the north, south and east.)
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:49 PM
My McCain lawn sign was ran over once then stolen a couple days later. Did an informal survey in a couple different neighborhoods. About 50% of McCain signs showed obvious damage. The Obama signs all seemed in perfect condition. Confirms my view of Obama supporters. So much for "liberals" respect for others views.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:49 PM
"steve" Wrote: " the problem i have with the story is that the guys were charged with 8 felonies! nobody was hurt.....just a damaged sign. 8 felonies!! these guys will have no decent economic future with that on their records. any background check will doom them. they should look for employment in europe or australia. america has destroyed their future for burning a wooden sign. the police should be ashamed of themselves! "
Hey Steve, Hundreds of thousands of men gave their lives so someone could stick a McCain or Obama sign in "their lawn". There damn lucky they weren't burning a sign in front of my house ... I would of left a mark. Oh and by the way, they destroyed their own lives and there is no career for Stupid.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:53 PM
Ira Braithwaite: You are a scary man Ira, your comment shows your socialist/marxist leanings "Che is a hero" Che was a murderer of teenage dissenters of Castro.
I hate to break the news to you Ira but NO-ONE swims to Cuba. The Cubans are willing to risk their lives to have even the smallest chance at success in the greatest country on Earth. Because even if the fail, they are still better off than the Cubans who didn't swim for it.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 04:54 PM
There is nothing in this article that indicates that the attack was politically motivated or that the perpetrators support Obama. Jumping to the conclusion that the perps were Obama supporters is no different than jumping to the conclusion that an attack by a white on a black must have been racially motivated.
These were idiots who stupidly decided to use a fire bomb for what would have been mischief. Even if they were Obama supporters, that would be no more of a reflection on Obama supporters as a whole than it is of conservatives in general when a Republican goes on a shooting rampage.
Intolerance for opposing views is not unique to any particular political party. People who blame others for their plight will sometimes lash out. There are always a few reactionaries.
I would feel safer putting a McCain sticker on my car parked in my liberal Southeast Portland neighborhood than I would parking a psychedelic VW bus with Obama and Earth First stickers on it in some economically depressed Oregon logging town.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:10 PM
HOPE!! CHANGE!! DIVERSITY!! Wait! Diversity of thought? Grab the pitchforks! Grab the torches! We are the inclusive liberal left! We tolerate no dissent! We have speech codes! Here's your Koolaid. Shut up and be quiet. How typical.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:10 PM
Remember, the left is always screaming about free speech.
This kind of action is permissible, only when it refers to them. Just ask them!
If this took place in California, they would be given hero's parade.
I wonder if the "cocktails" were provided by the Weather Underground, or ACORN?
Oops, I meant the NObama campaign.
IF this was done to a NObama sign, it would be considered a RACIAL HATE CRIME!
I guess these morons wanted a \"CHANGE\" they can believe in. Hells Bells, they might even get lucky. As Big Bubba might a Democrat cell mate!!
I will defend my 1st Amendment right to have a McCain/Palin yard sign.
With my 2nd Amendment right, to own/use my guns.
ALASKANS FOR GLOBAL WARMING, AND SARAH PALIN!
PISS OF A DEMOCRAT, DRILL ANWAR!
NObama in 08!
"If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under."
-- Ronald Reagan
A man WITH a gun is a CITIZEN
A man WITHOUT a gun is a SUBJECT
Take care, be safe.
God Bless.
Chris - Alaska
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:29 PM
Hey Mike Dillion, the body armor I am going to be wearing and the helicopters and jets providing me air cover when I deploy in January are part of that "military industrial complex" so please cut me some slack as I am out their defending your rights buddy. In 10000 years of human history one priciple has not changed- the weak will inevitebley be exploited and impotent. There are a lot of other programs that need to go before we start cutting defence spending.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:45 PM
Dare I aks what was probably the first thought in anyone's mind when they first heard of this----"What race were these alleged felons?"
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:51 PM
In Texas we have a year-round season on varmints like these, provided they're caught in the act. We also have lots of nicely unburnt McCain-Palin signs on proud display. Even the Obama signs go unmolested too;)
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 05:55 PM
These two are just bums. Don't get them in the same boat as that THUG Che. Che if anyone wants to look up his history. Che lined up all the Judges. Colleges Profs and mhad them dig holes in the ground, then went behind them hitting as hard as he could, those lined up, in the back of thier heads. Thus falling into the holes they had dug. This in front of thier wives.Daughters,kids, grandkids. Then made the family cover them up, without regard to if they were still alive. All with the fact that CHe was a Dr. Sworn to never harm ..OH Che had Fido bill the family for the cost of the bat.
My family was there, so this I know to be true. I saw it.A Kid I was, the whole thing is still fresh in my mind. So don't dare think these two burning makes them in his status as a Thug, one eho mudered for being able to muder. These two are just punk bums, drink bums at that.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 06:07 PM
It amazes me that the party of peace/love and can't we all just get along resorts to this. But then again we have the personal attacks on Palin and the slanderous "Atlantic" pictures of McCain -ad nauseum. The far left would be far more honest if they would say "We want to win and we will do anything to do it" including registering convicts and dead people. Also utilzing organizations like Acorn to intimidate people. Yup, just the old liberals acting "liberal" or is that "fascist"-wait I can't say that it could offend their blessed little hearts.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 06:23 PM
Fear not…
Upon coronation of Comrade Obama any and all dissent will be CRUSHED under the guise of the “Fair Speech Doctrine”
Allah be praised!
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 06:34 PM
This is what happens when you hold rallys for young people and use a bunch or Hitler like techniques to get these young people involved. They don't know enough about politics to be involved. All they want is to elect a hip young guy. It could be P-Diddy for all they care. It is sad and I blame the fraud Obama for this. He has a page on his website on how kids can talk to their parents about voting for him. It breaks my heart that our young people have turned so hateful.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 07:03 PM
I don't know about Oregon law, but in California, attempted arson is an exception to the general rule that you can't shoot someone who has NOT already broken into your home. In California, it would be perfectly justified to kill these two arsonists where they stand...even on the sidewalk.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 07:10 PM
Consider this: Every one of Obama's opposition has been called a RACIST."
That may or may not be true, but...
It is a known fact that criticism of Sarah Palin was labeled as "sexist" by the McCain campaign.
So...what's your point?
Or are you admitting you have a double standard?
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That every person opposing Obama Presidental bid has been called a racist "may or may not be true"
But,
criticism of Sarah Palin was labeled as "sexist" by the McCain campaign.
is a known FACT?
Remind me to call you any time I need an absolute authority on anything!
Just Google the name on my list with the word RACIST behind it. Or YOUTUBE it. (or continue on in your smug all knowing world).
Hillary Clintons campaign also cried "sexist". McCain is constantly derided for his age. Hillary never accused McCain of sexism. McCain never complains about being criticized for his age.
What other off point issues would you like to discuss? The color of the sky?
What IS your point?
I made a factual, documentable, statement. I made it because I have a very strong concern that freedom of speech will become even more limited in this already PC gone berzerk society. I made it because freedom of speech has been lost on almost every college campus in this country. I made it because the MSM is in lock step with the liberal politicians and, with public school children and college graduates already indocterinated, it wouldn't take much for "The One", "The Messiah", the charismatic Mr. Obama, to take us unhindered into totalitarianism. That may not be his agenda-- or anyones agenda at this point. But, when you have generations of young people already taught and ready to believe and, a propaganda machine like the MSM at the ready, How hard would it be? Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
This stopped being about "issues" (what issues, both of them are flailing around -- this is nothing more than a high school Class President race with candidates buying votes with T shirts and cookies, when Obama's campaign and supporters threw down the race card.
Maybe the two guys that burned the McCain sign were just two drunken fools. And, maybe Mohammed Atta was just high on PCP.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 09:16 PM
The only thing accomplished by the comments above is the further demonstration that the western philosophical model is dead.
There is no correct response - only endless rationalization, advocation and vitriol.
Humanity has been marginalized, disenfranchised and spiritually euthanized by the Malthusian Shekel gatherers. We are at the end of it - thank ALLAH.
"Man's wisdom is FOOLISHNESS in the eyes of GOD"
If all the "wisdom" posted here isn't enough to convince even the densest of morons - the readership is truely comatose.
"at a time when ye THINK not - I come"
If one can grasp this - one will have all they need to thrive in the coming times.
The clues are here, there and everywhere and are chrono-independent. "seek ye first UNDERSTANDING - all other things will come".
"Do you really believe that's air your breathing"?
Those with ears will HEAR.
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Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 09:50 PM
I didn't see anywhere in this article that mentioned WHOSE sign it was---even the charges against them suggests that they were destroying their own property. Notice no mention of "vandalism", which would be tearing up somebody else's property. They "tracked" them down, rather than hunting or chasing them.
"destructive devices" can mean anything from fire crackers to an actual bomb, a can of butane or lighter fluid, depending on the situation.
These guys were probably doing this in their own yard, with their own prop (the sign).----looks to me like police may end up looking stupid once again...
I hope nobody squirts too much charcoal lighter on their barbecue grills---
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 05:50 AM
sixpack6t9: maybe some of the other posters get their news from places other than the Tribune. The event was pretty big news on a number of local media outlets last night.
While it was a McCain/Palin sign, the biggest problem is that it was only feet away from an occupied house in which the occupants were asleep. Indeed, the TV footage showed the side of the house was singed by the fire. If it had happened a month or so ago when things were so dry, it is very likely there would have been either serious injuries or fatalities and a great deal of property damage.
Moltov cocktails *are* dangerous weapons - just ask a few German tank crews from the 1940s. But not just that, they're indiscriminate - when you throw one, the flames go wherever the gasoline happens to end up.
This wasn't just simple vandalism like defacing a sign, there could have potentially been some real serious consequences to the home owners. Of course, the felonies will be pled out to Class A misdemeanors and these guys lives won't really be any more ruined than they were last week.
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 09:23 AM
you guys should check out some of the other stuff that has been going on - check out this site, kind of like Drudge: www.5thcolumnpress.com - some good stuff
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Bob....
Just Google the name on my list with the word RACIST behind it. Or YOUTUBE it. (or continue on in your smug all knowing world).
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Ah yes - someone tries to post something that is NOT over-the-top, extreme, ranting & raving in absolute terms...and suddenly they are "smug" and "all knowing."
Typical accusation from those with little basis in fact. Got anything more original than that?
Hillary Clintons campaign also cried "sexist". McCain is constantly derided for his age. Hillary never accused McCain of sexism. McCain never complains about being criticized for his age.
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You completely avoided what I said: immediately after the announcement of Sarah Palin as VP pick, criticism and concern about her abilities (rightly so) popped up in the media and, cautiously, from the Obama campaign. The McCain camp responded almost immediately and multiple times with claims of sexism.
My point (which you missed) is that the single biggest flaw of a majority of the posts here (including yours) is that
a) To scream about the supposed "sins" of the Left or the Obama campaign is to completely ignore the equal, if not more heinous, "sins" of the Right and the McCain campaign.
b) Speaking in absolute or extreme terms i.e. "all liberals hate free speech" or "Obama will turn this country Marxist" is illogical and out of touch.
The same is true of leftists who call McCain or the Right "fascists."
Those claims are equally ridiculous, and are generally used by people who are incapable of rational thought, those who fear any idea or ideology that doesn't fit into their narrow and misguided beliefs.
Statements like that say alot more about the intelligence of the speaker than they do the actual state of affairs and the future of the USA.
But, you know what they say about trying to rationalize with the irrational...
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Are you kidding me?
First of all, there is absolutely no indication that this act of vandalism had anything at all to do with politics. Perhaps these punks were just that; punks who were out being destructive.
Second of all, Obama has never advocated any of this and has condemned any disrespect whatsoever to McCain and Palin. Obama even tamps down "boos" at his events. To try to claim that this is somehow Obama's fault is ridiculous.
Contrast Obama's constant respect for McCain and Palin with their absurd disrespect for Obama including their actual incitement of violence. They have become disgusting examples of what America is not.
Third of all, I have had repeated vandalism of all Democratic signs in my neighborhood. Never once would I consider touching anyone else's property (which is what campaign signs are.) I think that is terrible behavior and is in no way acceptable.
I would think that the writers of the article might want to balance their reporting with some examples of Democratic campaign signs and offices and property being destroyed.
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Well, Some punks threw a huge pumpkin at our screen door and demolished it. They laughed and ran away on a car last week. We and many neighboors have Obama signs. We reported it to police and they said they could not do anything about it. I opened a case ID just in case they are doing the same to other neighboors. This was a violent attack. They smashed our screen door. Since it is an old house, the screen door is custom made. 500 dollars deductible on Home Insurance? Who foots the bill? They are fortunate that I wasn't awake because I would have shotgun blasted the f%^&**!
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Wow. Plenty of anger, rhetoric, stupidity, and blatant baiting in these comments. "Anyone who would burn someone elses property because they don't agree with them is a typical Obama supporter." RIGHT, Terry, RIGHT. In fact, I'm going out right now to burn down someone's property. While I'm at it, I'm going to push my boss out a window (he drinks Mountain Dew; I don't like it), kick puppies (carnivores!), and flatten some Trimet bus tires (fossil fuels are evil!).
Don't worry; your anger and hatred will keep you warm and smug when the world moves on with President Obama.
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 01:10 PM
All of the above informs me that McCain supporters are fearful, angry, violent name callers. Gosh isn't that how the Gore supporters felt when Bush stole the election? Fear - it works for REpublicans - let it run your life too!
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 01:21 PM
"Hey, just so everyone knows, it wasn't the fire dept. that caught those guys, it was my brother. He decided to wait in the bushes for a couple hours after the fire department left and one of the guys that threw the Molotov cocktail actually came back. My brother jumped him and held him until the police arrived. Go to the Oregonian homepage for the full details."
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 01:33 PM
Obama is a world leader and will win Oregon by a land slide. Obama is King and we will all follow him... Don't fight it, because Obama is the one! Go Obama 08
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 02:21 PM
Nope -- pretty much every comment in this thread has it wrong. Lots of emotion and assumptions.
I know the district attorney who's been working on the case. The case has everything to do with drunkeness and stupidity and just about nothing to do with politics.
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Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:44 PM
D. Hart is a D. Bag! (and failed boxer from what i hear!)
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Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 01:21 PM
Snark
Your full of it!! My McCain signs have been vandalised multiple times. Next time they are in for a big surprise!!
These 2 targeted this sign because it didn't match their kool-aide induced beliefs.
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Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 08:52 AM
Thank you to all the Jurassic capitalist, oppressor, hatemongering Fascists who have, through their responses, proven how scared they are of the change that WILL be sweeping across this country.
Accept the fact that, with support from Portland's municipal government, the hammerblows WILL be struck.
The power WIll be with the people who are taking it back from the corporate slavedrivers.
Obama IS the way out, the truth spoken, and the one true hope for sweeping change.
These two young political martyrs who threw their fists in the air against an icon and banner of enduring oppression are but a small indication of the dissent seeking to conquer the streets.
Yes, their names will be sullied, their reputations dragged through the mud, distortions will rule the day, but, ultimately, truth burnishes proletarian heroism.
Accept that Change is inevitable.
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Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM
I find it interesting that almost all of the major media outlets and numerous newspapers across the country reported the story of people shouting "kill him" at a Republican rally in Scanton, PA recently. Yet none of them have bothered to report the findings of the Secret Service that investigated those claims. Well, here they are..The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton, Agent Bill Slavoski, after interviewing over 20 non-security people who attended the rally, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers, and not one heard the comment. In fact, the only person interviewed who heard the comment was Scanton Times-Tribune reporter David Singleton. Singleton was unable to describe the person who allegedly made the threat because he claims he only heard it come from "somewhere in the crowd". Not one recording device in use in the area (there were literally dozens) recorded the threat. The story is false.
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Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 03:28 PM
You are all rambling radicals. Please have a beer and calm down.
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:33 AM
Has anyone bothered to find out what political party these people belong to or if it was a drunken act?
It doesn't matter whose sign was burned. It matters that this was a crime and stupid. Just because 3 men burned a sign doesn't mean that Obama would ever support this type of action. Or McCain would support it.
No matter who is elected president, he will have a lot of work to do to unite such a seriously divided country. I'm ashamed of all of this hate.
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 09:14 AM
happyjack: The clips have been displayed endlessly on all media outlets. Anyone with have a brain can hear the friggin threats. Do you understand that Obama was given Secret Service protection earlier in the campaign than any previous primary challengers because of death threats.
You have no sense of reality, no sense of history and no idea what truth is. Turn off Faux News and read something out of your comfort zone. You might learn something.
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Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 11:43 AM
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Re: Burning McCain campaign sign lands men in hot water
Brockette is a guys name? Sounds like he has some pent up resentment of his parents, since its obvious they wanted a daughter.
"Babar"
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