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Among other things, the alliance survey found that nearly 40 percent of all bicycling trips are for commuting purpose. Among intermediate and advanced cyclists, commuting is the most common purpose of bicycle trips. Beginning cyclists bike commute roughly half as often as more advanced cyclists.
The survey also found that there is a there is a correlation between feelings of personal safety and the number and percentage of weekly trips by bike. It also found that as bicyclists become more comfortable, the number and percentage of weekly trips taken by bike increase significantly.
This appears to be one reason more people ride bikes in North, Northeast and Southeast Portland. Residents in those parts of town rated their routes safer than residents in the rest of the region. Respondents said the least-safe routes are in Southwest Portland, Beaverton, Hillsboro and Vancouver.
Although 88 percent of advanced cyclists own cars, they use them far less frequently than those who own no bicycles. According to the survey, Non-cyclists rely on automobiles for nearly two-thirds of their weekly trips. In comparison, advanced cyclists take roughly half of their trips by bike.
Despite Portland’s reputation for being bike-friendly, respondents in Eugene and the Bend-Sisters area reported use their bikes more. Portland respondents reported making 43 percent of their weekly trips by bike, compared to 55 percent in Eugene and 46 percent in the Bend-Sisters area.
The survey was conducted by the Inavero Institute. The Portland Tribune participated by posting a link to the questions on its Web site.
Fifty-eight percent of the respondents rated themselves as an “experienced” or “advanced” cyclists. Fifty-seven were younger than 45, although 21 percent were older than 55. Thirty-seven percent were female and 60 percent were married. Nearly nine of 10 have a four-year college degree or higher. Many of the respondents are affluent, with more than a third reporting income above $90,000.
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It would help bicycle safety a great deal if the cyclist would obay the law and have proper equipment on their bike. I know it is the usual small percentage but the police seem to ignore the situation.
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 06:51 AM
NW Portland is not even mentioned. Is it not considered a part of the city? Although property taxes are highest in NW and SW Portland, fewer tax dollars are spent there to even maintain the streets much less enhance them for bicyclists. I would say that the streets in SW and NW Portland are less safe for motorists as well as bicyclists, due to the lack of maintenance and the natural topography of the land areas.
I, as a pedestrian, would feel much safer if the bicyclists would obey the laws of the road instead of ignoring them. A majority of bicyclists run stop signs. If you don't believe this, take 30 minutes and sit in view of a stop sign on a road heavily used by bicyclists and you will see quickly that most of them roll thru the stop signs, while almost zero come to the required complete stop unless forced to by an oncoming vehicle. Once again cyclists want to blame others for their feeling unsafe while not taking responsibility for riding in a safe manner.
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 07:27 AM
It is a great goal for the Bike Alliance to work with the city of Portland on bike safety.
I don't commute to work on a bike as the local roads in washington county are not wide enough.
As a driver I have no problem sharing the road with bikes but some observations I have made regarding bikes:
1. yes drivers need to be aware of riders, but conversely riders need to be aware of cars
2. If there is a bike lane, use it, don't ride the white line. Tax dollars were spend to provide a safe transit lane for cyclists but many don't make use of it.
3. Wear bright colors to make yourself visible. Black helmets and black spandex are a poor choice.
wearing a bright vest is awesome, but don't wear a dark camelbak over the top of it, can't see you from behind.
4. Ride single file, especially on hwy101 & hwy 26.
5. buy the battery operate blinking lights. I will see you better.
6. Stop at the lights, and signal. I was taught in grade school to signal a turn when was riding a bike.
I will continue to do my best to keep an eye out for riders but they also need to help us out. I know it is a small percentage of riders giving the rest of them a bad reputation.
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 07:50 AM
The police ignore most speeders too. Just drive on any highway in the region and almost every driver is over the limit.
"If you don't believe this, take 30 minutes and sit in view of a stop sign"
I suspect most of us don't have that much time on our hands. But you seem to acknowledge cyclists crawl through stop signs only after determining it is safe to do so. Your problem seems to be that they are breaking a rule, rather than that they are creating a safety issue.
I agree cyclists don't always stop for pedestrians and they should. Some cyclists also ride too fast on paths shared with pedestrians. And they shouldn't. But frankly, I regularly have experiences as a pedestrian where my life is threatened by unsafe motorists.
(email verified)
Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 08:05 AM
The survey should have also asked:
1. Do bicycles really enjoy riding in the (rain & cold)?
2. Are bicycles actually healthier (since they ride; exercise), but breathe an allful amount of (Carbon Monoxide; gas and diesel fumes)?
3. Do bicycles who commute enjoy spending the extra time it takes to get to work and home?
4. Do bicycles who commute to work have a shower to freshen up, or do they just (dress for work all sweaty and smelly)?
That's the stuff I like to know....because I would not enjoy losing the comfort and safety of being in my fuel efficient car.
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 08:48 AM
@New
1. Some do, most probably don't. Do you enjoy walking or driving in the rain and cold? On a bike I never have to scrape a windshield.
2. Yes, the benefits outweigh the negatives:
http://www.bv.com.au/file/Health%20benefits%20of%20cycling.pdf
3. In general, yes. People who currently cycle tend to continue it because they enjoy the activity itself. I don't believe I've met a single commuter who was so driven by an outside cause that they disliked cycling and continued to do it. There are people who thought they'd dislike it and found out they do enjoy it.
4a. The odor is from bacteria on the skin, not sweat itself. If you're clean to start with, a tiny amount of positive odor will counteract any bad smell that wasn't already obvious.
4b. Adjusting your effort on the bike helps control your sweat. Some days you can't help it, and you might change after a quick wipe down. 99% of the days of the year I don't sweat significantly in the morning. In the afternoon, during the summer, I often change my shirt when I get home. My wife doesn't complain of any odor.
4c. Some people do have showers available. I have no idea how many people use them.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/sweating-and-body-odor/DS00305
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 09:09 AM
Why do they not address having bicycles have insurance and a registration like I have to have on my auto. I would feel much better and have more support for bicycles riders if they could help pay for what I'm paying for.
(email verified)
Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 09:49 AM
I'm opposed to spending more tax dollars on bike lanes when many cyclists ride on the white line. Almost all roads have some white lines, and apparently that's all they want.
It's pure bone-heads who argue "motorists don't make them feel safe riding on roads" when A) Many cyclists disregard traffic laws, B) Many cyclists weave in and out of lanes and give motorists no indication of where they might swerve, C) motorists are paying for the roads with Insurance, DMV & DEQ fees. Shouldn't cyclists be helping out? Shouldn't they be insured if they side swipe me? and D) Cyclists make no effort to respect the flow of traffic when riding on the road.
I really, really, really don't want to run over a cyclist but at times, the cyclists seem to be begging for it.
And for whoever pointed out how often motorists speed; there is a huge difference between driving fast & in control while wearing a safety belt in a metal contraption vs. cutting off a heavy machine that will crush you while wearing only spandex and some foam on your head.
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Up 5th AVE going south..the train right next to me, a biker as well in his bike lane.
The bike lane takes a direction arrow, and the lane veers a bit left cause there is NO ROOM,for him/me, OR THE TRAIN...but no, he stays where the lane was,forces me right, and almost into the train(note, GEO METRO'S and big trains don't mix.
Well, I yelled at him to stay in his lane..expletive deleted..and he went "nuts" SCREAMING,no words, just screaming, and roaring after me.
No Mr.Biker..I'm not interested in conflict resolution at this time.
You almost got me killed...just remember, I will come back to haunt you, if that had happen, and you'd never have air in your tires again...SO STAY IN YOUR LANE ....expletive deleted.
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Jack, I read your comment three times, and it still doesn't make any sense.
(email verified)
Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:32 AM
I bike two days a week, drive one and work at home the other two days so I see it all. My view is that we can all do better.
As a bicyclist, I love the ride and feel great doing it even in the rain and cold. It toughens you up and makes you healthy and it is much more fun than sitting in a warm, dry car. Really, it is (for me). I have been very happy to see that there are a lot of drivers of cars that stop at crosswalks for me, give me room when they can. I try to obey the rules although stopping at stop signs when there is no one around is a weak spot for me. I stop and stay stopped at all red lights until they change b/c I think bicyclists should.
As a driver of a car, I too get frustrated when bicylists do not make more of an effort to ride on the marked bike roads. I sometimes see bicyclists going down Sandy slowing all cars down when there is a better bike route specifically designated a few streets over. I also agree that lights and visable clothing are a must.
Lastly, bicycle riding is great. To be against it is just being against something to be against something. It does a lot of good for the rider, the city and the world, so give a biker a smile and let's all just deal with it.
Enough crying and negativity.
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM
57% of bicyclists rate themselves as "advanced" or "expert", yet not 1 out of 10 has read the Oregon bicycle rules. They are the most arrogant group of people in Oregon. Rather than read the rules of the road for bicycles and obey them for the better of everyone, they'll just complain about everything, like "the roads aren't safe", "it's everybody's concern", or "we're all to blame".
These dimwits who think that a 2000 pound car isn't going to kill them need to read the Oregon Bicycle Laws that are designed to prevent collisions between cars and bicycles.
The safety problem is the bicyclists themselves, and it's 100% because of their ignorance, stupidity, and arrogance.
Some clown will try to say something stupid in response to this when he's 100% representative of the bicyclists on the road in Portland, who are ignorant about the laws and are the reason that bicyclists have died, will continue to die, and should continue to die as long as they continue to disobey the bicycle rules of the road.
(email verified)
Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM
10 comments until someone wishes death upon bicyclists! Good job Trib, normally the over/under on this sort of thing is comment #3.
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM
but it's good to see so many folks using alternatives to 1-person, 1-car commuting.
There are many responsible riders around, but downtown seems to be a free-for-all where cyclists go wherever they want with little regard for vehicles.
If I don't know what you're about to do, I may not be able to react safely.
Main peeve is cyclists passing vehicles on the right when vehicle has turn signal on. Many of us are not from Portland and not used to anyone passing a turning vehicle on the right, so we're not looking out for you.
There have been numerous deaths from cyclists performing this dangerous maneuver. Motorcycles, cars and trucks don't pass us on the right- there's no good reason for cyclists to do so.
Let's all try to be good neighbors out there!
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 01:25 PM
The state of Oregon if so full of idiots and backward thinking fools. THIS IS THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY! Bicycles are TOYS! Grow up! If you must ride them, do it in a safe place and a safe manner. There are thousands of miles of bike paths already built. They are spelled “S-I D-E-W-A-L-K-S” and were built for all non-motorized vehicles and pedestrians. If bicyclists obey the laws, the sidewalks will always be much safer for both bicyclists and for pedestrians than it would ever be possible for it to be safe to combine any form of non-motorized vehicles on the roadways with motorized ones.
If bicyclists insist on using the roadways, let them be on notice that they do it at their own risk and should be personally responsible for getting out of the way of vehicles. Bicycles should not only YIELD, they should get out of the way. Better yet, get a scooter or motorcycle or powered tricycle or unicycle. Anything with power to accelerate and to be maneuverable in traffic.
Didn’t your mother teach you not to play on the streets?
Next thing you know these idiots will be demanding bike lanes on the interstate freeways.
Al Kader
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 01:47 PM
Re: Bike Alliance survey: Safety is top concern for two-wheeled commuters
Jack, I read your comment three times, and it still doesn't make any sense.
"Clyde Frog
Dear ...I can't say that.
Redden: I will try to be nice so you will post this
The stupid idiot road totally out of his bike lane at a point on 5th ave south, that would have taken him back on the sidewalk for about 30-40 feet, but no, he squeezed out the extreme little space forcing me to give him room...forcing me damn near into the train that was right next to me...I told him he was less then human, told him to use the bike lane...called him a descriptive term related to his bike seat, and this less the desirable person totally lost it.
He had no regard for my safety, and that is why you hear some people stating..the net worth of a rapid, growing number of the "bike community" is going to be zero, if more "sharing the road isn't done.
Now...you can jump my spelling etc..but your boy nearly lost his rear...and by my actions..saved it at the possible loss of mine...OVER!
(email verified)
Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 03:35 PM
Next thing you know these idiots will be demanding bike lanes on the interstate freeways.
Al Kader
Dear AL: Sorry, SAM is already planning for it..NO BS!
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 05:48 PM
"Fifty-seven were younger than 45, although 21 percent were older than 55. Thirty-seven percent were female and 60 percent were married. Nearly nine of 10 have a four-year college degree or higher. Many of the respondents are affluent, with more than a third reporting income above $90,000."
I'm not so sure why these particular stats were pertinent to the survey? How does this affect biking and providing a safe riding experience?
Adding from my above comments, I would like to know and maybe the next survey should ask:
1. Why aren't there helmet laws for 'all' riders?
2. Why don't they require bicyclists use front head-lamps, rear tail-lamps?
3. What about reflective cloths, vest? Black 'Goth' attire is hard to see already in the day...what happens at night?
4. Does the city think this is Copenhagen? Where are the dedicated asphalt bike paths such as the ones you see in Denmark or the suburbs?
5. Do you feel the city is taking away to much space from auto traffic for bikes?
6. Who will win in a collusion, a (3000 pound auto or bike); a (20,000 pound bus/truck or bike)?
These are real world questions folks. Knowing the age, sex, education level, income bracket really tell me nothing unless I'm marketing some sort of product or service to these demographics....
(email verified)
Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 06:25 PM
Dear Jack Peek, That's why I try to stay away from downtown as much as posable. Just think if you where in that nice red comet/falcon that I see in your driveway from time to time. Yes I live down the stree from you look down by foster for a dk. green dodge ram. Are you serious that ShAM is asking or planning for bike lanes on the freeways in portland?
I did see one again ONE bike rider signal his turn early this month or late last month.
My dodge ram two weel drive pick-up weighs "no joke" 5,500lb yes two and a half tons, do you know what kind of damage you as a 200lb bike & rider will do to me and my truck? Not much at all. you know those speed bumps to slow down the trafic you know whose BIG ones? I hit them at 35-45mph and don't spill my diet soda just think for a min. of what would happen to you when you shoot across the street in front of me and I hit you say at 35mph.
Dear Al Kader, your comment about the sidewalk um in portland it's illegal sorry.
(email verified)
Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:58 PM
Jack,
It is illegal to ride on the sidewalks downtown. Yes, people do it, but it is still illegal.
Dodge Ram,
Yes, more use of turn signals by everyone would be very helpful all around.
New to Portland,
Yes, reflective/highly visible clothing is good. Lights are also good.
Al Kader,
Outside of the City of Portland is legal to bike on the shoulder of the freeway including the Sunset highway west of the Vista Ridge tunnel. Most shoulders are 10 feet wide. Plenty of room
(email verified)
Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:38 AM
Some very good comments and suggestions on this subject.
I have been commuting to and from work since 1998. I have ALWAYS thought and known that city streets are mainly for motorized traffic. Overall, the drivers in Portland and surrounding area are good folks. I've been given the right of way when it wasn't my right of way. I've had people slow down, not cut in front of me and I appreciate it. As some of the commenters have pointed out, there are some bikers that just don't get it. I have seen those with no lights, dark clothing and that run traffic lights and stop signs. Those folks should not be on the road and should be ticketed. I was ticketed a few years ago for riding on the sidewalk. Legal according to DMV, but Portland has an ordinance against riding on the sidewalk. The judge threw out the ticket, however.
One issue that does get to me is why SOME motorists won't move over. I'm riding up a one way street with two lanes. Cars are on the curb on both sides and some want to get right up on my butt and for some reason don't want to move over a lane. Why is this? Mostly young drivers.
Overall, thanks Portland motorists.
(email verified)
Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 01:00 PM
I saw someone riding a bicycle a few weeks ago; and they were talking on their cell phone and almost hit a young girl and didn't even see it.
Please outlaw talking on the cell phone while riding a bicycle. The more of us that commute on bicycles, the greater cell phone use will become.
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Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 03:08 PM
Jack Peek, you seem to be fabricating this story. The section you describe (I assume) is where the bike lane is diverted left around the streetcar stop and then back onto 5th. At this section there is an entire other lane (for buses) between the traffic lane and the streetcar tracks to the right. There is no possible way that you were squeezed by a cyclist anywhere near the train.
Second, why were you forcing your way past the cyclist in the first place? If you don't have room, don't pass. The section is only half a block long. Are you in that big of a hurry? How in the world is a cyclist riding uphill forcing you into a train? You were the one passing.
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Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 03:51 PM
Jack Peek, you seem to be fabricating this story. The section you describe (I assume) is where the bike lane is diverted left around the streetcar stop and then back onto 5th. At this section there is an entire other lane (for buses) between the traffic lane and the streetcar tracks to the right. There is no possible way that you were squeezed by a cyclist anywhere near the train.
Second, why were you forcing your way past the cyclist in the first place? If you don't have room, don't pass. The section is only half a block long. Are you in that big of a hurry? How in the world is a cyclist riding uphill forcing you into a train? You were the one passing.
"Scott
SCOTT You want to meet me there in the AM..your dismissing me and not the biker is crap...he diverted from the direction arrow taking him back on the sidewalk, for a short distance...the jerk was totally out of his Lane...YOU WANT TO MEET ME? then write the retraction...OF COURSE YOU DON'T/
(email verified)
Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 06:51 PM
I'll be riding by sometime around 0720, as I do everyday.
What would you like me to retract? This area clearly has (left to right)
1. Bike lane as I described
2. Traffic lane shared with streetcar tracks
3. Bus lane
4. Max tracks
You can be as belligerent as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that your story doesn't hold water. You simply could not have been squeezed up against a streetcar no matter what the cyclist did.
By the way, a cyclist can legally take the lane when he/she feels it is safer to do so.
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Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 07:29 PM
I drop my wife on 4th at the bank 7:30 7:45...You wait right there.
Tell me SCOTT...there is no lane for him to take, and can I legally take the lane anytime I want to?
We know the answer to that don't we.
And your "boy" road that narrow gap from the curb TO NEAR MY CAR, his handle bars and a-- WERE NOT WHERE THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
My thought is there will be a collison in the am...AND I cannot wait.
(email verified)
Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:58 PM
DEAR SCOTT: Happy to meet you at that point of discussion on 5th.
You be on the sidewalk, I will find you.
(email verified)
Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 09:46 PM
My favorite is the BTA answering machine message that used to say. "Smile at the motorists, you are having more fun than they are."
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Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Jack and Scott: So did you meet up?
Jack, are you all talk or did you actually go to the planning commission last night and testify?
(email verified)
Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 07:52 PM
Jack and Scott: So did you meet up?
Jack, are you all talk or did you actually go to the planning commission last night and testify?
"Honda Civic"
DEAR HONDA CIVIC...I was there..8:02am, he was not.
ALL TALK??? WTF..was I INVITED? Please enlighten me about the meeting.
BTW..I post my thoughts on issues, and then I sign my name, it's always bothered me that when people take verbal shots, there are no real names behind it.
Is that why people who will not be accountable want to move here in droves as they are now?
I sure think so.
(email verified)
Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:09 PM
Jack Peek says:
SORRY..HIT THE WRONG KEY, NEVER FINISHED.
WOW, so this is the meeting I got called on for not attending.
Some guy who’s handle was “HONDA CIVIC”, ranted “Jack, are you all talk or did you actually go to the planning commission last night and testify? ”
Well fine, let me say a few words right now, the mission of the bike community and the mayor who will be recalled or voted out, is to kill cars in the city.
Cars will be all electric before to long, so say SAM,these cars will still be stopping at red lights, while unaccountable riders run them.
The Co2 they blow out huffing and puffing to and from the city, it seems will only increase..so a moratorium on heavy breathing needs to be factored in..and of course..TAXED.
Bike racks on Tri-met bus’s are no longer free…25 cents a ride.
In fact, if you hook your bike to the front of the bus, you should pay a bit more,taking a seat you should be riding on.
Bike insurance, you hit me, my car, I don't want a get well card...I want a check.
Lastly...license plates..front and rear, if your riding in unsafe manner, I want to report you.
Meet me half was on any of this, I'll "share the road."
"Is my time up?"
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Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:51 PM
I was pleased to meet with Mr. Peek on the morning of 10/28/09 in downtown Portland and have him relate to me the incidences, which had occurred between himself and a bicyclist during a previous mornings commute. It was disappointing to not have an account of bicycle traffic from a bicyclist who expressed a desire to meet.
I can certainly understand Mr. Peeks’ frustrations and concerns with respect to the dangers present in the current traffic arrangements, especially when those who are privileged with their use do not abide them.
As we waited to attend a meeting where greater understanding was to be had by the deep impressions left as a result of view points held by opposing parties, we witnessed several bicyclists whose riding portrayed personal choices not in keeping with laws regarding bicycle use in Portland. It wasn’t just bicyclists either. Fortunately we had access to a camera and were able to get pictures of the license plate of a truck driver who was driving recklessly and we will pass that information on to the correct authorities.
Mr. Peek and myself discussed recording moving footage and still images of bicyclists and how we might go about taking action against entities that facilitate reckless endangerment. While it is indeed the right of the individual to choose how they ride a bicycle, it is irresponsible to promote unnecessary and deadly risks. Much like helmets, lights, reflective clothing and other protective gear, bicycle traffic planning is no guarantee of saving lives and it is a thoughtless and contemptible to assertion on the part of the planners that has lead to injuries and death of bicyclists.
It will take some time and a considerate effort and Mr. Peek and I know that we are not alone in our regard for bicycle traffic in Portland. The statistics are clear as to the dangers of bicycling and involvement on the part of all citizens with several points of view is warranted.
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Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 09:04 AM
Jack, Interesting you call out "Honda Civic" but not "Dodge Ram" or "the Nail Splitter".
I think the reference was to the Planning Commission Meeting. Well covered by the Tribs friends at the O. Terry Parker was on record.
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Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 07:59 PM
PS. I got cut-off in traffic by a very reckless driver this morning while driving on the 217. Got the license plate. Where do I report it?
(email verified)
Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 08:08 PM
PS. I got cut-off in traffic by a very reckless driver this morning while driving on the 217. Got the license plate. Where do I report it?
"The Screw Driver"
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Dear Screw driver: Why you report it to local cops, but how do I REPORT bikes for the same...NO PLATES, nor do they want any...see the problem there SCREW DRIVER?
By the way..."rice burner" called me out...both NAIL SPITTER, and Dodge RAM,are friends, one lives near me, THE NAIL SPITTER, feels pretty much as I do, about the left here in PDX.
PS:BTW..SCOTT,I was at our favorite spot on the this am, another biker took the sidewalk bike lane, as I mentioned the other day, he came back out next to me ,I rolled my window down..thanked him for staying in his lane, quickly mentioned what happen the other day, he laughed..."the a$$hole" HE SAID...YEP, I said, have a nice day he said...same to you, I said.
WOW..respect! both ways...try it sometimes Scott, and others 2 wheel people.
(email verified)
Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Thanks for the advice. I called the police and they laughed at me. Said "can't do anything unless we witness it" won't even come to the scene of an accident unless their is a "dispute". Only have to file a police report if the damage is above $1300. Oh well...
PS: Glad to know that you, the splitter and dodge ram are all friends!
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Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 02:42 PM
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Re: Bike Alliance survey: Safety is top concern for two-wheeled commuters
It is evil for Portland to have a policy to mix bikes with cars on the street, but obviously they are trying to get rid of cars. This is consistent with the socialist agenda to transform our modern country into a third world one. The only way to be safe is to have a separate path for bikes. In some cities in California, I have seen bikes having its owm path, most of the times going along with the sidewalks, but at some points going competely different from the streets. Of course it is easier to do it in California. The more reason of my point, Portland is evil, because established streets are not designed for mixing these two.
"GG"
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Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 06:25 AM